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		<title>Comment on God Chose the Ravens to Win the Super Bowl, Not the 49ers by Rick McKinley</title>
		<link>http://www.csosports.org/god-chose-the-ravens-to-win-the-super-bowl-not-the-49ers#comment-488</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick McKinley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 22:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good words, Tim.  Thanks for your reply. I love to challenge the status quo, especially when it comes to the God/sport connection. I guess I just think God is far more concerned with the people of sport, and the transformation that can take place through sport, than with sport itself. If he has an interest in sport, I believe it is in the redemption of sport, and that comes through his people demonstrating who He is, win or lose. My fear in talking about God being involved with sport is that he becomes, for many, the equivalent of a rabbit&#039;s foot, or maybe worse, a means by which even &quot;Christians&quot; puff up their own pride and arrogance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good words, Tim.  Thanks for your reply. I love to challenge the status quo, especially when it comes to the God/sport connection. I guess I just think God is far more concerned with the people of sport, and the transformation that can take place through sport, than with sport itself. If he has an interest in sport, I believe it is in the redemption of sport, and that comes through his people demonstrating who He is, win or lose. My fear in talking about God being involved with sport is that he becomes, for many, the equivalent of a rabbit&#8217;s foot, or maybe worse, a means by which even &#8220;Christians&#8221; puff up their own pride and arrogance.</p>
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		<title>Comment on God Chose the Ravens to Win the Super Bowl, Not the 49ers by Tim Briggs</title>
		<link>http://www.csosports.org/god-chose-the-ravens-to-win-the-super-bowl-not-the-49ers#comment-487</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Briggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 19:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rick, thanks for your comment.

You raise a good question regarding sin.  As I mention above, I believe in God&#039;s sovereignty and human responsibility.  I believe we are culpable for our sin.  Yet, God is sovereign.  Reconciling those two is difficult but Scripture advocates both.  

I understand your concern with saying God picked the Ravens.  As the tone of my blog indicates though, God did not choose them based off their spiritual maturity--or for anything that they did.  It wasn&#039;t about them, it was about Him.  I think if you explain the reasoning for God&#039;s sovereignty, it leads people away from this perceived favoritism.

I find in the sporting world that people tend to have a high view of themselves and a low view of God.  This leads to the dangerous views that God doesn&#039;t care or is uninterested to be involved in sports.  Scripture clearly says otherwise.  The point in the blog was to let Scripture speak and challenge the status quo regarding His involvement in sports.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, thanks for your comment.</p>
<p>You raise a good question regarding sin.  As I mention above, I believe in God&#8217;s sovereignty and human responsibility.  I believe we are culpable for our sin.  Yet, God is sovereign.  Reconciling those two is difficult but Scripture advocates both.  </p>
<p>I understand your concern with saying God picked the Ravens.  As the tone of my blog indicates though, God did not choose them based off their spiritual maturity&#8211;or for anything that they did.  It wasn&#8217;t about them, it was about Him.  I think if you explain the reasoning for God&#8217;s sovereignty, it leads people away from this perceived favoritism.</p>
<p>I find in the sporting world that people tend to have a high view of themselves and a low view of God.  This leads to the dangerous views that God doesn&#8217;t care or is uninterested to be involved in sports.  Scripture clearly says otherwise.  The point in the blog was to let Scripture speak and challenge the status quo regarding His involvement in sports.</p>
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		<title>Comment on God Chose the Ravens to Win the Super Bowl, Not the 49ers by Rick McKinley</title>
		<link>http://www.csosports.org/god-chose-the-ravens-to-win-the-super-bowl-not-the-49ers#comment-486</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick McKinley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tim,

In trying to be provocative, I believe you are being misleading. Following your reasoning, you could also say &quot;God picked me to be divorced&quot; (thus justifying a bad marriage) or &quot;God decided I should be a criminal, or a homosexual&quot; Is God sovereign? Yes. Do I understand that? No, not completely.

The problem I have with people saying things like &quot;God picked the Ravens to win the Super Bowl&quot; is that it gives a very arrogant impression that God was on the Ravens side, and therefore, was obviously against the 49er&#039;s. That train of thought leads to a very distorted view of a loving and gracious God, and I believe, leaves many with the thought that they are just too bad for God, unable to really experience God&#039;s love and grace. I also think that it sidetracks people from really seeing what God does want to do through sport, which is far, far deeper than a Super Bowl ring!

I thought it was very interesting that S.I. ran the recent article entitled &quot;Does God Care Who Wins the Super Bowl?&quot;, or I should say, re-ran the article. They originally published one several years ago, I believe in the late &#039;80&#039;s - early 90&#039;s,  under the same name. Neither time were they trying to help enlighten people on God&#039;s sovereignty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,</p>
<p>In trying to be provocative, I believe you are being misleading. Following your reasoning, you could also say &#8220;God picked me to be divorced&#8221; (thus justifying a bad marriage) or &#8220;God decided I should be a criminal, or a homosexual&#8221; Is God sovereign? Yes. Do I understand that? No, not completely.</p>
<p>The problem I have with people saying things like &#8220;God picked the Ravens to win the Super Bowl&#8221; is that it gives a very arrogant impression that God was on the Ravens side, and therefore, was obviously against the 49er&#8217;s. That train of thought leads to a very distorted view of a loving and gracious God, and I believe, leaves many with the thought that they are just too bad for God, unable to really experience God&#8217;s love and grace. I also think that it sidetracks people from really seeing what God does want to do through sport, which is far, far deeper than a Super Bowl ring!</p>
<p>I thought it was very interesting that S.I. ran the recent article entitled &#8220;Does God Care Who Wins the Super Bowl?&#8221;, or I should say, re-ran the article. They originally published one several years ago, I believe in the late &#8217;80&#8242;s &#8211; early 90&#8242;s,  under the same name. Neither time were they trying to help enlighten people on God&#8217;s sovereignty.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Reactions to SI&#8217;s Super Bowl Article: In the Fields of the Lord by Mark Hamilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 20:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Check out my essay, &quot;Is the Gridiron Holy Ground&quot; in the book Football and Philosophy.  I deal with the need to approach football from a world views perspective.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out my essay, &#8220;Is the Gridiron Holy Ground&#8221; in the book Football and Philosophy.  I deal with the need to approach football from a world views perspective.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sports &amp; Theology: Ray Lewis by Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 20:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pursuing Christ? Romans 3:11 says otherwise....about Ray, you and me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pursuing Christ? Romans 3:11 says otherwise&#8230;.about Ray, you and me.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Does God Care Who Wins? Part 4 by Steve Quatro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Quatro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 20:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bob, Great articles.  I will have my students at APU read them.
Thanks,  Steve Quatro]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, Great articles.  I will have my students at APU read them.<br />
Thanks,  Steve Quatro</p>
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		<title>Comment on Does God Care Who Wins? Part 4 by dave Hudson</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave Hudson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 16:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bob,
Question, then the team that wins better glorifies God?? Isn&#039;t that what you are saying? If we lose we glorify Him too, but it would be better for us to lose than win?  Not sure I agree.  I think win or lose, we glorify Him by how we play with the talent He gives, how we treat our opposition, how we play by the rules, ect..... I once heard a pastor say, God will allow the team to win that is more Christian or Godly (something like that).  If that were true, then lets just have practices of Bible study, worship, and praise.  I am really not so sure on if He cares who wins.  I know He knows the outcome, but is kind of like, does He care what color of car I buy.  What do you think/  I think I got some of this thining from a book I read:  Is Jesu a Republican or a Democrat?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,<br />
Question, then the team that wins better glorifies God?? Isn&#8217;t that what you are saying? If we lose we glorify Him too, but it would be better for us to lose than win?  Not sure I agree.  I think win or lose, we glorify Him by how we play with the talent He gives, how we treat our opposition, how we play by the rules, ect&#8230;.. I once heard a pastor say, God will allow the team to win that is more Christian or Godly (something like that).  If that were true, then lets just have practices of Bible study, worship, and praise.  I am really not so sure on if He cares who wins.  I know He knows the outcome, but is kind of like, does He care what color of car I buy.  What do you think/  I think I got some of this thining from a book I read:  Is Jesu a Republican or a Democrat?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sports &amp; Theology: Ray Lewis by Tim Briggs</title>
		<link>http://www.csosports.org/sports-theology-ray-lewis#comment-461</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Briggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 03:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Christian narrative affirms there&#039;s a little narcissism in all of us.  In fact, you could say it was narcissism that led Adam and Eve to eat of the fruit.  I see where you&#039;re coming from in saying Jesus was narcissistic but I don&#039;t think he was.  According to Wikipedia: &quot;Narcissism is a generalized personality trait characterized by egotism, vanity, conceit, or selfishness.&quot;  In regards to Jesus, Mark 10:45 would seem to fly in the face of the claim that Jesus was narcissistic.  With that in mind, we do have to remember that Jesus was the incarnate son of God.  God does demand our attention, our praise, and our love.  I don&#039;t think that&#039;s narcissism though.  God is the only one who could demand those things and not be selfish.

I would agree 100% with what you say regarding Ray Lewis and his team believing in what he&#039;s selling.  He&#039;s a master motivator; perhaps the best ever in professional team sports.  As one Christian brother to another, I would say to him though: &quot;Don&#039;t misconstrue Scripture just to motivate your team.  When you do so, you&#039;re not only mocking the intent of the Scripture but also God.&quot;  I understand it helps his team but in the end, I value God&#039;s word above victory on the field.  Ray should too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Christian narrative affirms there&#8217;s a little narcissism in all of us.  In fact, you could say it was narcissism that led Adam and Eve to eat of the fruit.  I see where you&#8217;re coming from in saying Jesus was narcissistic but I don&#8217;t think he was.  According to Wikipedia: &#8220;Narcissism is a generalized personality trait characterized by egotism, vanity, conceit, or selfishness.&#8221;  In regards to Jesus, Mark 10:45 would seem to fly in the face of the claim that Jesus was narcissistic.  With that in mind, we do have to remember that Jesus was the incarnate son of God.  God does demand our attention, our praise, and our love.  I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s narcissism though.  God is the only one who could demand those things and not be selfish.</p>
<p>I would agree 100% with what you say regarding Ray Lewis and his team believing in what he&#8217;s selling.  He&#8217;s a master motivator; perhaps the best ever in professional team sports.  As one Christian brother to another, I would say to him though: &#8220;Don&#8217;t misconstrue Scripture just to motivate your team.  When you do so, you&#8217;re not only mocking the intent of the Scripture but also God.&#8221;  I understand it helps his team but in the end, I value God&#8217;s word above victory on the field.  Ray should too.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sports &amp; Theology: Ray Lewis by James Benjamin Galloway</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Benjamin Galloway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m coming to the conclusion that Jesus was anti-Narcissist.  Narcissism wasn&#039;t &quot;discovered&quot; (more accurately, coined) until about 70 years ago, but I know that was the behavioral and societal sickness Jesus railed upon.  Narcissists gravitate towards positions of authority, or toward any arena within which they can enjoy dominance and receive what is called Narcissistic Currency, or admiration.  (Teaching &amp; professorship, the clergy, show business, corporate management, the medical professions, the military, law enforcement agencies, politics, and sports, among others.)

Jesus himself may have been part narcissist because, I believe, it takes one to know one.  His personality trait was INFJ (http://www.personalitypage.com/html/INFJ_per.html).  I believe he balanced narcissism with empathy making him a lucid and genuine authority.  To say this is to reinforce your point that God cares about the winners and the losers of these contests.  In essence, it is the experience of both wins and loses that serves to balance confidence with humility.  It is only important that one has played true to their ability to receive the blessing of this balance.

Ray&#039;s quoted passage is relevant to today&#039;s world and the desire for the 2nd coming.    He may not &quot;know&quot; what it means, but he is certainly the spiritual leader of that team, and to be that, he has to be balanced, aka, Jesus-like.  While all teams are just about equally matched in skill at the NFL level, it&#039;s not the team with the most Christians that has the advantage.  It&#039;s the team that believes in their spiritual leader and what he&#039;s selling.  They develop the unit mentality that can not be broken, even in a loss.

The other teams may suffer from too much 2 Timothy 3:1-7 ~ 1 But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. 2 For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, 4 treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people. 6 For among them are those who creep into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and led astray by various passions, 7 always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m coming to the conclusion that Jesus was anti-Narcissist.  Narcissism wasn&#8217;t &#8220;discovered&#8221; (more accurately, coined) until about 70 years ago, but I know that was the behavioral and societal sickness Jesus railed upon.  Narcissists gravitate towards positions of authority, or toward any arena within which they can enjoy dominance and receive what is called Narcissistic Currency, or admiration.  (Teaching &amp; professorship, the clergy, show business, corporate management, the medical professions, the military, law enforcement agencies, politics, and sports, among others.)</p>
<p>Jesus himself may have been part narcissist because, I believe, it takes one to know one.  His personality trait was INFJ (<a href="http://www.personalitypage.com/html/INFJ_per.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.personalitypage.com/html/INFJ_per.html</a>).  I believe he balanced narcissism with empathy making him a lucid and genuine authority.  To say this is to reinforce your point that God cares about the winners and the losers of these contests.  In essence, it is the experience of both wins and loses that serves to balance confidence with humility.  It is only important that one has played true to their ability to receive the blessing of this balance.</p>
<p>Ray&#8217;s quoted passage is relevant to today&#8217;s world and the desire for the 2nd coming.    He may not &#8220;know&#8221; what it means, but he is certainly the spiritual leader of that team, and to be that, he has to be balanced, aka, Jesus-like.  While all teams are just about equally matched in skill at the NFL level, it&#8217;s not the team with the most Christians that has the advantage.  It&#8217;s the team that believes in their spiritual leader and what he&#8217;s selling.  They develop the unit mentality that can not be broken, even in a loss.</p>
<p>The other teams may suffer from too much 2 Timothy 3:1-7 ~ 1 But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. 2 For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, 4 treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people. 6 For among them are those who creep into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and led astray by various passions, 7 always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 4 Fun Basketball Dribbling Games For Young Players by Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 14:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is great.  Going to use these today in our Junior Jazz game!  Thanks]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great.  Going to use these today in our Junior Jazz game!  Thanks</p>
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